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lacey

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Hello there,

Just queery about a suggestion a sexual health advisor gave me. Its not something I have heard of before and I thought you guys would probably be the best people to ask!

My problem is recurrent bacterial cystitis after sex with bladder inflammation and all the pain and frequency that goes with that for the months following the infections or at least until the next one comes along. I'm working on trying to increase the time inbetween infections as when I do get a run of a few good months my bladder does calm down.

So today I was having a discussion with my sexual health advisor, how I've been getting on with dmannose, bottle washing, diet etc and she suggested applying 3% hydrogen peroxide solution around the genitals and 'squirting' some up the urethra before and after sex. Apparently she has prescribed it to a many women and it has often 'done the trick'

This phrase always makes me wary, i'm not sure there is much that 'does the trick' for recurrent cystitis. But after researching and not finding all that much I wondered if anyone else had tried this? Or if anyone thought it would do any harm in trying it?

Thank you, hope everyone is safe and having good bladder days xxxx

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Hi Lacey,
Is the sexual health advisor a doctor? If so, I would take the advice on board. If not, I would avoid it. 3% hydrogen peroxide is quite weak, but you are still putting a chemical up your urethra and I wouldn't be doing that unless a doctor or someone who really knew what they were talking about advised it.

We are in a position where sometimes we feel so desperate that we are prepared to try just about anything to feel some relief. It's easy for us to want to try things that we intuitively know might be a bit dodgy. 


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Hi,  I would certainly advise caution with putting any diluted peroxide solution directly into the urethra or bladder.  Treatments like this should only be administered by a health care professional or your GP/Urologist.

Hydrogen Peroxide is used to treat bacterial vaginosis see link: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bacterialvaginosis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Hydorgen Peroxide is widely used to cleanse or treat bacterial infection, however to try to mix a diluted solution yourself would be difficult and if you got this wrong.......you could cause serious problems.

More investigation and caution is needed before anyone proceeds with this treatment even via a health care professional.



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lacey

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Thank you for both of your replies, yes the sexual health advisor is a doctor, seemed very confident that just dabbing about would help - I'm glad I asked here before going ahead.

Luvspugs, your very right I will give just about anything a try at this point 'just in case'. It's really worrying the advisor was so flippant, I worry for those who took her advice.

lacey xxx

darlin

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Lacey, have you tried this yet? I joined this forum to ask exactly the same question. I was having the frequent UTI thing after sex (long story, very typical, I'll spare details) but recently things have improved. Something I'm trying is helping me, but I don't know what it is.

Here's what I've been doing differently recently:

- Homeopathy from a qualified homeopath

- Lots of lemon barley water every day

- Mates Skyn non latex condoms, and Yes lubricant if needed

- douching with hydrogen peroxide

Ok I know it's controvertial, but I've had a lot of problems with bacterial vaginosis (for years and years) and now that I'm in a relationship I douche with it before sex to get rid of the bv smell. Anyway, since I started doing that I have not had a bad UTI yet. I still get stinging with urination sometimes, and bladder pain, but it has not "developed" into anything nasty (ie a kidney infection) for several months now - kind of a record for me. I really think this hydrogen peroxide thing could be working to prevent these UTIs after sex.

I have not squirted any into my urethra but have simply been washing the vulva area with 6% several hours before sex. But if I felt I needed to squirt it into the urethra, I would (although I'd probably use the 3% strength, or dilute it). It can be used as a mouthwash, and surely down there is similar?

Have you tried it yet? I will be guinea pig if you like. Because SURELY it can't be as damaging as course after course of antibiotics..??

Please don't flame me - I'm not recommending anything, and I have got to the stage where I am happy to try things and take risks in order to find a cure. I hope you read this Lacey
luvspugs

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Hi Darlin,
I think your last line was the most interesting because it sounds as though you have reached a stage of desperation. I recognise it because I have been there. Even in the darkest hours of desperation, I still wouldn't recommend to other people that they try things that may be dangerous. Homeopathy may be harmless enough although they don't have to prove what they sell. Barley water is probably healthy enough and condoms are always a good idea. However, hydrogen peroxide around the vagina is as dodgy as heck. I mentioned this to my brothers (doctors) and they said "no way"!


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darlin

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Luvspugs, please read my post carefully! I'm not recommending it. I'm saying I will try it. (And besides, even if I was going to recommend it, we are all responsible for our own decisions and our own bodies.)

Why do people say "no way?" I still think there is something in this hydrogen peroxide idea. If other health professionals (whether they are doctors or not) are saying this is safe, then what is the reason for saying "no way" ? I'm not saying I disagree with your brothers, I'm just very curious about this 
darlin

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Luvspugs, just wondering whether you asked your brother about the risks? Hope this doesn't sound confrontational - I would genuinely like to know.

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I completely understand the desperation that leads us to use all sorts of stuff on our bits, I have been known to pur undiluted iodine on mine in the desperate hope that it would kill bacteria !, Ive stupidly used coal tar soap and even the antibacterial face washes designed for acne on my bits, as you can imagine, all these things dis was leave me very very sore but didnt stop my infections, it was only when I realised that my infections were coming from an internal source rather than external that I'm more kind to my long suffering genitals.

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Luvspugs, just wondering whether you asked your brother about the risks? Hope this doesn't sound confrontational - I would genuinely like to know.



Hi darlin,
Hydrogen peroxide is bleach. If you are squirting it around the exterior of your genitals and it is a highly diluted solution, then you are probably not going to do much damage. The problem is when you start using it internally. This is when it becomes really dangerous, especially since many IC sufferers already have highly inflammed bladders. Mine looked absolutely terrible when I had my cystoscopy done and putting hydrogen peroxide up the urethra and anywhere near the bladder would be like setting fire to it! It is likely to cause an adverse reaction rather than a calmative one. Doctors tend to be very conservative about this sort of thing with good reason. Their treatments have to be proven before they will recommend them to patients.  "First do no harm".

Please don't worry about offending me. It is good to have discussions like these  because I think we all have felt quite desperate at times. I can remember in the early days of my IC (before I was diagnosed) when I used to take the cystitis tablets like lollies. It probably took a few months before I finally realised that they weren't actually helping. I have also been in the pits of despair with my migraines before I finally was put on Topamax 2 years ago.

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darlin

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Thanks for the feedback! No, I'm not using it inside my urethra - just washing with it on the outide prior to intercourse. I don't want to jinx myself but SOMETHING I'm doing is working.

I will report back sometime to say whether I'm still clear of these UTIs.
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Topical use of peroxide helps many external conditions, it is well known to kill fungal infections like thrush and ring worm. Whenever I dye my hair  and it has a bleaching agent in it it helps my fungal scalp condition! The prescription shampoo and antibiotic cream does very little in comparison. When I researched people that suffered long term with ringworm some people found that a bleaching agent worked far better then prescription medication to clear their condition.
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Hello, I'm not a regular here but this topic caught my eye. PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT! I utterly understand the fustration and the need to feel like you're trying every option, but, I am a hair dresser and we use that strength to colour hair! If left on, it burns my hands and bleaches my skin white, so I cannot imagine how painful that would be in an area where skin is thinner and more sensitive!

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I said I'd update, so here I am.

I am still using diluted hydrogen peroxide as an EXTERNAL wash an hour or so before intercourse. I am still clear of infection and this has been a record for me as I usually get an infection EVERY TIME I HAVE SEX without fail.

Just to confirm, I am not squirting it inside my urethra. I simply pour it over the vulva area.

I don't suffer from IC, but bacterial cystitis, and it has always been after every single time I've had sex, ever since I lost my virginity. I have an abnormality with my kidneys so any bladder infection or UTI that I have goes straight into my kidneys and has been life threatening at times. I have been very ill with severe kidney infections in the past.

I'm going to continue to use this method for as long as it works for me.

I have spoken to three doctors about this. One, my ex boyfriend who said "Sounds dodgy - diluted vinegar would be safer."
Another friend of mine who is a doctor said "If it works for you then keep doing it."
And my GP said she is surprised I haven't got irritation from this, but if it works then she wasn't going to stop me from doing it. She did point out that it kills the healthy, protective bacteria as well (but then so does antibiotics). I also take Fem Dophilus due to my bacterial vaginosis issues, and overuse of antibiotics in the past.

I will report back soon to let anyone who might be reading this know how I'm doing.
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Things I have tried for the nagging pain of acute IC are:

  1)  cutting out all carbonated sodas

  2)  cutting out all spicy stuff

  3)  only 1/2 cup coffee day and no black teas

  4)  when I can't take it anymore I take a small coldpacfrom the freezer, put it inside a plastic sandwich bag then inside a sock, and place it against where my pee exits

  5)  Sit on the coldpac for 1/2 hour or more, then replace it and do it all again.

This degree of inflammation means, of course, that I'm not able to go to town, to grocery shop, to walk my dog, to go to work, and so on.

 

I am just now finishing 6 days of antibiotics for a root canal job and all of my previous weeks of relief went out the window.  I'm on ice now!  I wouldn't say I'm experiencing success this time.  The antibiotics seem to have created a crisis.

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