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Ibby

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Do members of this forum know of any natural product that can finally knock out an infection naturally?

Since September of last year I've had eleven UTIs - all of them e-coli infections. I've had eleven courses of anti-biotics and I'm very keen to fight infections with natural products.

As I write this I'm on infection number twelve - Yep one a month! I've had it for a week and I've been trying to get rid of it using natural products.

On a daily basis I take copious amounts of D-Mannose Powder, SSKI Potassium Iodide, one Oil of Oregano capsule and just three days ago I managed to get hold of some prescription Hiprex.

I'm keeping the awful symptoms at bay but I'm aware I'm not quite there yet. If I were to put it into percentage terms I would say that I've been 95% successful but of course I want to eradicate the infection 100%.

I have had a look through the various threads on this forum and the only thing I've seen mentioned that I haven't tried yet is Uva Ursi which to me seems a tad questionable.

I'd be grateful for suggestions.


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Hello Ibby
Well you are certainly trying do your best, and am sure you are trying to sort out your diet to assist as well.

As you know its E. Coli the D mannose should be clearing, .When do you take it?
Suggestions take straight after voiding, keep drinking and then also last thing at night after voiding.
You need to be able to leave it in the bladder as long as possible.

Some do find Uva Ursi works for them, but we are all so different so what works for one is a nightmare for others.

Hope someone else will offer some advice.

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Hi Kate,

I have a large(ish) tub of D mannose and I take a heaped teaspoonful about five times a day and last thing at night so I think I've got that covered.
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Kate has given some good advice however Uva Ursi is a very strong herb and should only be taken around 5 times a year. The link below will provide more info. If you do decide to take it, keep the urine very alkaline as E. coli does not reproduce so quickly in an alkaline environment whereas if the urine is very concentrated and acidic, its ideal breeding ground for ecoli to proliferate. D Mannose will help as it alkaline itself and will stop any active bacteria from trying to penetrate the bladder wall (which E. coli does) and instead it will bind to the Mannose molecules and be flushed out when you urinate.

http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/uva-ursi

You probably also need to look at the underlying reasons as to why the infections keep reoccurring.

Many women will begin to suffer with infections when they become peri-menopausal (from around the age of 35 onwards), menopausal or have premature menopause. This can cause vaginal dryness and vaginal atrophy due to the thinning of the vaginal mucosal lining as a result of declining oestrogen levels. This urogenital thinning also affects the mucosal wall of the bladder allowing bacterial permeability. The walls of the vagina, urethra and bladder rely on oestrogen as one way to stay toned and able to manage the flow of urine from the bladder. With less oestrogen these organs lose tone and some degree of function.

Additionally, oestrogen (or estrogen) is needed for the vagina to maintain its natural flora and lubrication. The PH of the vagina is usually acidic but during these changes or when using oral contraception or IUD contraception, it can become alkaline leading to a rise in bacterial anaerobes, candida or bacterial vaginosis.

For localised oestrogen treatment for the urogenital tract, Vagifem biofilm pessaries have been found to beneficial. They are entirely topical and will treat the vagina and bladder with minimal systemic absorption although some women still report symptoms despite the low dosage. They sit at the top of the vagina and there is no messy leak unlike other HRT topical treatments. Additionally, if fillers within a pessary are an irritant, the Estring can be used. This is a synthetic soft rubber ring which slowly releases oestradiol and can be introduced into the vagina and replaced at three monthly intervals. Topical creams such as Ovestin, Ortho Gynest or Premarin are also available. If there is a history of breast or uterine cancer within the family always discuss the appropriate usage of localised oestrogen therapies and any risks associated.

Additionally diet can play a part so if you eat a high carbohydrate or high sugar diet, you are feeding bacteria not only in the gut but also in the bladder so perhaps look at cutting back on sweet treats and keeping things bland for a period of time. Its dull but it may help.

Also personal hygiene may need to be addressed and yes the old adage about wiping front to back will be trotted out again because those bacteria will march from the anus to the urethral opening and if later in years that urethral opening will be more open due to the lack of oestrogen keeping tissues plump and tight.

A great book to get hold of is that written by Angela Kilmartin which is available via Amazon - has lots of lifestyle tips and also her famous bottle washing technique.

I'd also contact Sweet Cures of York who produce D Mannose and have a chat - they know everything there is to know about e-coli. Their website is excellent as a starting point particularly their research pages

https://www.sweet-cures.com/research.htm

Sadly I suspect the E. coli keeps reoccurring because you have been given 3-5 short courses of low dose trimethoprim which E. coli is now resistant to. Sub standard dosage will merely stun the bacteria or they can adapt and develop chemical enzymes to completely ignore it. It won't help you to rid yourself of a continuous infection and no wonder you feel so dispirited.

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Hello Susan,

Thank you for this lengthy and considered reply. I'm a little confused about alkalinity and acidity. I had no idea that D mannose had anything to do with alkalinity and I've started taking Hiprex because apparently it makes the urine very acidic and again, apparently e-coli can't thrive in an acidic environment. So at the moment I'm taking lots of D mannose every day but I'm also taking the prescription drug Hiprex - presumably they might counter act each other?

You probably also need to look at the underlying reasons as to why the infections keep reoccurring.


I think perhaps that my Forum login name Ibby - doesn't give the game away but I'm a male and the advice about feminine matters is for the most part where I'm concerned a tad redundant. Sorry about that and clearly you meant well.

I'm reasonably sure that excepting me having a biofilm (and there's no way the NHS will be testing for that) is that I have unfortunately an enlarged bladder, four times the normal size and I have a huge problem with urinary retention. I have to self catheterize and over the last twelve months this process has introduced infection and if I don't self catheterize I have a perfect large, warm breeding ground for infection. I'm dammed if I do and dammed if I don't (self catheterize).

I don't think my personal hygiene could get any better and as I've discussed with Karen Powell on Wednesday I've even purchased a hand-held Ultra Violet light which purports to kill 99.99% of all bacteria. Ive got the cleanest bathroom (and male genitalia) this side of a hospital theater.

I've just download Angela Kilmartin's book - thank you for this recommendation and also thanks for the heads up with sweet-cures.  All this research is good news to me.

Sadly I suspect the E. coli keeps reoccurring because you have been given 3-5 short courses of low dose trimethoprim which E. coli is now resistant to. Sub standard dosage will merely stun the bacteria or they can adapt and develop chemical enzymes to completely ignore it. It won't help you to rid yourself of a continuous infection and no wonder you feel so dispirited.


You are probably right with this and it's annoying and a bit frightening that the various GPs that I see just hand out anti-biotics after no more than 30 seconds of talking to me. None of them seem remotely bothered that I have recurring infections which are potentially dangerous and I wrote my original post because I'm trying my best to knock out this infection with natural products - if it's possible.

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Hi ibby
CHOL[smile][smile] I did smile when I read Susans reply, at the moment she may not have access to full members details, hence she missed that you are as you say very much male.But her info is always so helpful.

re acidity/ alkaline again confusing , here is an article on the waterfall D mannose, if you click on more tabs within , there is a lot of helpful papers/info/

https://www.waterfall-d-mannose.com/ecoli-metabolises-cranberry.html

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Thanks Kate,

thank you for the above information - to be fair I'm not sure how anyone could determine my gender from a rather generic forum name, perhaps I should have called myself Willy,  but hey ho... I certainly appreciate the advice from yourself and Susan and I'm now a male more well informed about "female stuff"![smile]

I'm going to read up on the links you've both kindly provided to try and determine if taking Hiprex along with D mannose would be counter productive.

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Ibby - if it helps I'm aware of people taking the two at the same time but usually hours apart from each other. As you say Hiprex needs an acidic environment for it to be effective (it turns to formaldehyde in the bladder) whereas D Mannose needs an alkaline one so people usually take Hiprex during the day and D Mannose at night.

My apologies for the female advice. As UTIs effect women to men 8:1, its an easy assumption to make.

If you are having to self catheterise have you though about dipping the catheter end into d mannose before you drain the urine - this may keep the bugs away.
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Hello Susan,

Thanks for this - I'll follow this advice regarding timings. Absolutely no need to apologize for the female advice -I suppose we're all fellow sufferers.

Interesting thought about the d mannose and the catheter. The Urogoly consultant I saw was adamant that the catheters are not sterile? and yet when I was talking to the pharmacist at our local GPs practise - she said they were. I'll consider dipping the end in d mannose.

Thank you again for your advice - much appreciated.
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