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Catherine

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I went to see a Psychologist yesterday who herself has had very bad IC for many years.  As part of her research project she looked into diet and how it affects IC and through lots of research and testing it on herself has found that if you eat acidic foods i.e. lemons, tomatoes, apples etc when it digests in your body it turns alkali and vice versa - if you eat alkaline foods when you digest them it turns into acid. 

She has stuck rigidly to the diet herself and for the 1st weeks on it ensured her diet comprised of 80% Acidic food (that turns alkaline) and 20% alkaline foods (that turns acidic).  She has found the results amazing and can now have her bladder full with urine with little pain which never happened before.  She said after 6 weeks when the bladder has calmed down you can then have 60% acid foods and 40% alkaline.

She told me the worse thing I have been doing is having sweetners in my tea as they are poison to the bladder.  Sugar is really bad but artificial sweetner is even worse and can take up to 32 glasses of water to repair the damage to the bladder done by artificial sweetners.

It was a real eye opener to me and I am determined to try it after suffering with IC and vulvadynia for 8 years. 

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All I can say is if I tried eating a diet such as that I'd be in agony within seconds.

Also it's not just the acid withing a food that aggravates, other components within the food some people find aggravate then as well.

I've stayed on a low acid diet for years now and it's the only thing that I've found that has helped me. I test the acidity of my urine after eating alkaline foods and find that they do indeed make my urine much less acidic.

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Obviously everyone will have different views on it but this diet worked for the lady who has researched it who had chronic IC for years.  I did say to the lady that if I eat tomatoes I am bad but as she said, it might not be tomatoes that are causing the flare up but something else I have eaten that day which is alkaline.  I am definitely going to try it as need hope that something could help this torturous illness.


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i was on a diet over a year ago (after being in remission) which consisted of eating alot of tomatoes and limes. After 2 weeks of this It caused my bladder to flare after being normal for about 2 years, eating anything.  I would be very cautious.  I am having good days now but still getting bad ones.  It hasnt settled to my pre diet status.  I find  sticking to diet helps my symptoms.
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Catherine, I would treat the advice this women is giving you with extreme caution myself. Her explanation about why the tomatoes caused you to flare points to the fact she obviously doesn't know as much about food and their effects on IC as she likes to think she does.

Try it and see how you go, as we are all different, but I have to say this is the first time I have heard of such a diet, and it slightly worries me that it flies in the face of everything that I have learnt/read about food and their effects on an IC bladder.



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Thanks sue

I must admit I was very cautious at first but when she told me she had had good results with her IC patients who have rigigly follow the diet I thought it was worth a try.  My IC isn't as severe as some patients on here so hopefuly it may help me.  She has the backing of the Urogynae consultants where I go so hopefully that is a good sign that they believe her. Will let you know how I get on with it.

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Good Luck I will be very interested to know how you get on.  Would love to get back to eating baby tomatos.  How do you find out what foods to eat?
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It's not as simple as she makes it sound.  Alkaline means that the  overall level in your blood and tissues is more alkaline- but  - it has to go through the bladder and intestines before that happens!  Compare it to putting petrol in the tank of your car- you might need a certain type of fuel, to make the engine work better- but if that fuel does something detrimental to the tank on the way round, then that's no good, is it?

There is a HUGE amount of controversy on this acid/alkaline debate- even the world's top scientists disagree if it exists or not.

Alkaline foods do not turn acid in the body- too much protein can create an acid environment.  So it would be better to eat more green and leafy vegs, and cut back on red meat, cheese, etc etc.

One question- why would a psychologist be researching IC?

Sorry to disagree- I know that anything new can give hope- but you have to be realistic- would you pour acid onto a wound in the hope that somehow it might help?  Who isn't to say that this woman would have not got better anyway?  And that her diet was not just coincidence?

It's true that sugar can turn acidic i the body and it's well known that artificial sweetners contain chemicals that can aggravate the bladder.  Aspartane has even been banned in the US as it is linked to cancer.  Saccharine hasn't- but it's still an artifial sweetne.

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It's not as simple as she makes it sound.  Alkaline means that sthe  overall level in your blood and tissues is more alkaline- but  - it has to go through the bladder and intestines before that happens!  Compare it to putting petrol in the tank of your car- you might need a certain type of fuel, to make the engine work better- but if that fuel does something detrimental to the tank on the way round, then that's no good, is it?

There is a HUGE amount of controversy on this acid/alkaline debate- even the world's top scientists disagree if it exists or not.

Alkaline foods do not turn acid in the body- too much protein can create an acid environment.  So it would be better to eat more green and leafy vegs, and cut back on red meat, cheese, etc etc.

One question- why would a psychologist be researching IC?

Sorry to disagree- I know that anything new can give hope- but you have to be realistic- would you pour acid onto a wound in the hope that somehow it might help?  Who isn't to say that this woman would have not got better anyway?  And that her diet was not just coincidence?

It's true that sugar can turn acidic i the body and it's well known that artificial sweetners contain chemicals that can aggravate the bladder.  Aspartane has even been banned in the US as it is linked to cancer.  Saccharine hasn't- but it's still an artifial sweetne.

Hi Gig
I can understand people sceptasism as I am sceptical myself but think it has got to be worth a try if it has helped this lady and her patients. 

You mention it would be better to eat green leafy veg and cut back on meats, well that is what this diet is all about.  You should have 80% alkalining foods (acid foods) which incluedes vegetables, fruit and soya milk etc and only 20% of acidifying foods (alkanining) which includes meat, fish, cheese, sugars. 

This lady has researched the diet because before she became a psychologist she was a nurse and has had very chronic IC for years.  She decided to base her research on helping her bladder and other IC sufferers.  She has the backing of the urogynae consultants at the hospital I am under and they are actively promoting for patients to go and see her so there must be some truth in her findings.

I know you say what is to say the diet has helped her IC and she might have got better on her own but that is the problem with IC - it isn't curable and doesn't just go on its own. 

Am now on day 3 of it and must admit it hasn't made my symptoms any worse so can't be doing too much harm and usually if I have a bad food I am in agony a while after.

Will keep you all informed of my progress.


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It's not as simple as she makes it sound.  Alkaline means that the  overall level in your blood and tissues is more alkaline- but  - it has to go through the bladder and intestines before that happens!  Compare it to putting petrol in the tank of your car- you might need a certain type of fuel, to make the engine work better- but if that fuel does something detrimental to the tank on the way round, then that's no good, is it?

There is a HUGE amount of controversy on this acid/alkaline debate- even the world's top scientists disagree if it exists or not.

Alkaline foods do not turn acid in the body- too much protein can create an acid environment.  So it would be better to eat more green and leafy vegs, and cut back on red meat, cheese, etc etc.

One question- why would a psychologist be researching IC?

Sorry to disagree- I know that anything new can give hope- but you have to be realistic- would you pour acid onto a wound in the hope that somehow it might help?  Who isn't to say that this woman would have not got better anyway?  And that her diet was not just coincidence?

It's true that sugar can turn acidic i the body and it's well known that artificial sweetners contain chemicals that can aggravate the bladder.  Aspartane has even been banned in the US as it is linked to cancer.  Saccharine hasn't- but it's still an artifial sweetne.

Hi Sooty. Thanks for your encouragement.  To know what foods I can and can't have I was given the list on the following website:
http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/alkaline_foods.htm
for the first 6 weeks I can 80% alkaning foods and 20% acidifying foods.  After that if my bladder is better can have 60% alkaning foods and 40% acidifing foods.

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very interesting web link.  My diet seems to be ok.

Margarita

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Catherine-sometimes IC can go into remission- I had 4 years of it then it gradually came back.

I think you should be VERY careful with  citrus fruits etc- the acid will go straight to your bladder.  I can't even take Vitamin C ( ascorbic acid), so I just want you to be careful!

You might like to read some info on all of this on http://www.ic-network.com- on the food and diet section.  They deal specifically with the reasons why people can't drink orange juice, even though it is supposed to turn alkaline in the body.

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Catherine
I'm interested in where you went? Was it Birmingham?
I'm asking as my consultant is an IC specialist and he is doing an informal trial of this acid alkaline diet in non responders to other IC treatments as a psycholofist with IC got better on it..

he gave me the list too and a lot of others are trying it in the hospital...

must not be too bad if a specialist is trying it!!

it didn't help me at the time, but was v. bad then and found the diet too hard to upkeep...

but i stuck to all the alkaline foods that were ok with IC

that's they key thing my consultant said...stick to the foods and drinks in the alkaline section u can tolerate....

then see how it goes..
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sorry to amend my post

My consultant recommended 80% alkaline diet and 20% acidic...

think yours difffers v. much..
wow, she was brave!!
Catherine

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Hi sweet angel.  Sounds like we may be under the same consultant.  It is 20% acifiying foods (foods that are alkanlining to start with then turn into acid when you digest them) and 80% alkalining foods (foods that are acidifying when start eat them then turn alkaline when you digest them) so the same as your diet.


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