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Davidsmum

Registered: April 19, 2008
Posts: 518
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Does anyone know if sodium bicarbonate can also cause burning? Perhaps if used too regularly or too much alkalinizing can also cause the same reaction as acidic urine.
Does anyone know how safe bicarbonate of soda is?
Also does anyone use any of the pH alkalanizing drops? Are these safer to use than bicarbonate of soda? Any good makes of these around?
Thanks
Davidsmum

sueworld2003

Registered: Aug 16, 2004
Posts: 1,109
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When I was in a very bad way after having a cysto I found that everything that entered my system burnt me to some extent, even the bicarb. As the diet slowly calmed things down I found that the bicarb no longer stung, but felt more soothing.

I can no longer take it due to having very high blood pressure and so that amount of salt for me would be dangerous.

If you are familiar with Armits book (Am I right in remembering  that you went and joined the Yahoo mailing group?) you'll know that you can over alkalize and end up with distressing symptoms If you're not careful.

I've never used the drops or any other artificial alkalizing, except to eat certain alkalizing veg in fairly large amounts which seemed to take the edge off things for me better then anything else. Also, they had the benefit of no harmful side effects.

I hope thats been a little bit of help to you.

Davidsmum

Registered: April 19, 2008
Posts: 518
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Yes, I don't like the idea of my son taking sodium bicarbonate. He feels it certainly helps but the damage he could be storing up in other ways is a concern. I also thought that alkalinizing drops could also be somwhat dodgy  - after all it is something chemical you are also putting into the body and you do not know what other things that could be doing inside if used long term. If you can alkalinize naturally it is far better. When at home I can pile on the veg more but away at college although has some, there are a lot less vegetables. Fuit is problem as every fruit seems to be troublesome but there is always loads of fruit on the menu.  I can never seem to find any vegetable juices in bottles that are free from nasties. Even when they say natural they are bunged full of horrid stuff - no good for the bladder.
Yes I am signed up for the IC puzzle - so much information though I get a bit overwhelmed with it all. Also many of the things mentioned are there are not available or unknown in the UK.  Thanks.

Sonia

Registered: Oct 25, 2006
Posts: 275
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Hello Davidsmum
About a year ago I began to get a bit careless about the amount of bicarb I was consuming and ended up with my left kidney feeling as if it was 'chalked up'. And, just as I was thinking that I should stop consuming it so regularly I sat on some slightly undissolved bicarb at the bottom of the bath, and I realised that I was starting to get sore again - ooww - but for the opposite reason - you can get too alkaline!!

Oh yes - as I was deciding to give up the bicarb, I also noticed that my bloodpressure was much higher than usual - so that it was something over 85 . Normally my bloodpressure is on the low side 116 over 67.

I haven't taken any bicarb (by mouth or in the bath) since the ooww-in-the-bath episode, but since my IC is not so out of control as it was at the very start,  it has not been necessary.

I think it has to be a careful balance - not too alkaline - not too acid.

Best wishes

Sonia
Sara

Registered: Aug 4, 2008
Posts: 232
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I only ever use bi carb if I'm having a really bad flare and never for very long.  Usually only 1 -2 doses of 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon.  It sometimes causes me to go into 'semi' retention - (not a very good urine flow).

I did use alkalizing drops a long time ago (over 3 years) but found they didn't make a lot of difference.  I have recently looked up the ph balance of my tap water which is 7.4 so pretty alkaline anyway and I only drink this filtered.  If I'm having a really bad time I only drink Evian water as I think it is purer than tap water and has an almost neutral ph value (I think?!).

Sara
Davidsmum

Registered: April 19, 2008
Posts: 518
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Hello Sara,
How do you go about checking the pH of tap water. We have tried asking our local water council but they are useless and won't give this information. Using ordinary urine testing strips in tap water does not seem to work or give exact information. Evian is supposed to be good, but I also noticed that Highland Spring has a similar breakdown of magnesium, calcium etc. as Evian.  Presumably is potassium is a problem for IC people then a water with low potassium would be good. However, the only urologists we come across say potassium has nothing to do with bladder pain?
Please anyone any help?

Davidsmum

Registered: April 19, 2008
Posts: 518
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Oh sorry, also how do you filter tap water? Sorry but I am not into any of this and all this IC thing is just becoming more and more overwhelming. Whatever we try does not work.
sueworld2003

Registered: Aug 16, 2004
Posts: 1,109
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However, the only urologists we come across say potassium has nothing to do with bladder pain?


Well thats ironic as in the states one of the tests for IC is to instil potassium into the bladder and see If it burns. Many people with IC who are food sensitive can't eat bananas because they're full of the stuff, so basically those uro's are wrong, but then, hey when has that been news? *g*

As you know Evian water has good ph for IC'rs. I have also found that Sainsburys s' Highland Spring' bottled water has a ph over 7 and which I drink all the time.

I don't drink tap water because of the fluoride in it and that seems to effect me somewhat and from what I've read I'm not the only one.

tigfox

Registered: Sept 17, 2008
Posts: 180
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Can I just ask, you mention that some veg are particularly alkalizing? What veg are these?
Thanks,
Tig
Sara

Registered: Aug 4, 2008
Posts: 232
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Hello Davidsmum

I found the ph value of my local water (Telford and Wrekin area of Severn Trent Water) on line at http://www.stwater.co.uk. There was a simple breakdown and also a very detailed breakdown of the water quality in this area. I'm sorry but I wouldn't know how to test it otherwise. I think there is a way to test it if you keep tropical fish but don't know what information this gives you. I'm surprised your water board doesn't provide the same service.

I just filter the water using a Brita water filter jug. You can buy replacement filters which you need to change every month. There are most probably other more hi tech filters that can be fitted to your water system but I haven't looked into anything like this.

I do hope this info is of some use - I don't feel as if I have been able to tell you much really.

Best wishes
Sara
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